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Nicolas Katravas

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PostSubject: Legal/ Ilegal   Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:35 pm

Is it legal to put driving lights under bumper in place of the fog lights?
In later seasons Scheffe knew that Kitt was looking better with headlights closed and let the auxiliary lights do the real job!
How many of you have fog lights but real ones and who have head lights too in place of fog lights?

Another case, i asked this morning a police officer about bumper lights and told me that any added lights that car does not have needs authorization by ministry office.
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PostSubject: Re: Legal/ Ilegal   Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:11 pm

not as far as i know this is my new and old nose



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Another case, i asked this morning a police officer about bumper lights and told me that any added lights that car does not have needs authorization by ministry office.


sounds like verbal cr4p to me
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PostSubject: Re: Legal/ Ilegal   Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:08 am

Who says you're car doesn't need them? If you've only got the standard amber sidelights, then thats an MOT fail. So you do the clear lights aswell... although they happen to be fog lights...

Driving lights are the same as fogs really, youre niot strictly allowed them on unless its foggy. But getting Ministirial Authorization sounds like cobblers! What I'm going to do with mine is get some LEDs and and hide them behind the lip of the grill facing backwards so they reflect off the fogs. That should make them pretty good sidelights and I cant be accused of dazzling anyone.
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PostSubject: Re: Legal/ Ilegal   Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:56 pm

Firebreather wrote:
Who says you're car doesn't need them? If you've only got the standard amber sidelights, then thats an MOT fail. So you do the clear lights aswell... although they happen to be fog lights...

Driving lights are the same as fogs really, youre niot strictly allowed them on unless its foggy. But getting Ministirial Authorization sounds like cobblers! What I'm going to do with mine is get some LEDs and and hide them behind the lip of the grill facing backwards so they reflect off the fogs. That should make them pretty good sidelights and I cant be accused of dazzling anyone.

Driving lights are ideal if used together with the high beam on headlights ( as i do with mine ) and when you dip the headlights ,it turns the driving ight off at the same time , (you have to wire them in on the high beam wire setting of your normal healights) if another car approaches from the opposite direction.
It really does light up the road , especially around the countryside.
Foglights have a filtered glass lense to disperse the beam outwards to the side and also the halogen lamp is capped to avoid dazzling and is STRICTLY for extremley foggy conditions only.
Yes i also know most think it 'so cool' to drive around with them on at dusk instead of or with the headlights.Myself included.
I was pulled over a few years ago for that as the plod had a LOT of complaints from other drivers being dazzled by others using fog lights in clear conditions.
Either of those is NOT suitable for normal driving conditions i'm afraid.Yes we all know KITT did but in reality it's breaking the law.


.........Kev


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PostSubject: Re: Legal/ Ilegal   Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:06 pm

Well all of mine are driving lights non are fog lights
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PostSubject: Re: Legal/ Ilegal   Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:29 pm

Hi Rach

Well if you use them AND have all six on not only will you dazzle other road users badly, you WILL get pulled over for it eventually.
The thing with driving lights is they just penetrate straight ahead ( like using full beam with your normal headlights).The reason we have the dipped to the left option is to avoid dazzling and maybe causing a serious accident.
Worth thinking about.
If you look on the packet/instructions driving lights come in/with it clearly states OFF ROAD USE ONLY.
Same as our scanners..................Kev
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PostSubject: Re: Legal/ Ilegal   Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:59 pm

I bought these yesterday and am very satisfied!

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PostSubject: Re: Legal/ Ilegal   Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:41 am

They look great.
What dimensions are they?
Hella are one of the best for those.
Were they expensive?
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PostSubject: Re: Legal/ Ilegal   Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:26 pm

"hella comet 450".
The four of them cost me 100,00 euro.
You can find these on ebay but prepare to pay more.
I visited a shop near my office where they sell driving lights,batteries and
other parts exclusively for cars and trucks.

...there is of course another series the largest called "Comet 550". Two types for 450 & 550 series: fog lights / driving lights.

I choosed the second type.
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PostSubject: Re: Legal/ Ilegal   Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:38 pm

knight2 wrote:
Hi Rach

Well if you use them AND have all six on not only will you dazzle other road users badly, you WILL get pulled over for it eventually.
The thing with driving lights is they just penetrate straight ahead ( like using full beam with your normal headlights).The reason we have the dipped to the left option is to avoid dazzling and maybe causing a serious accident.
Worth thinking about.
If you look on the packet/instructions driving lights come in/with it clearly states OFF ROAD USE ONLY.
Same as our scanners..................Kev

Driving lamps as british spec should have a dipped beam pattern on the lens if they are required as auxillary lights. There are street legal ones but if in doubt make sure you angle them to the left and pointing downwards slightly. The so called dip to the left is actually a flick to the left and slightly angled upwards and this is actually for illuminating road signs to be precise. This is NO longer an mot requirement either if ive read correct. But they cannot dazzle or be straight ahead unless they are wired in with your high beam.

If im wrong on this im sure DAN can shed some light on the mot light requirements.

Hope this helps.

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PostSubject: Re: Legal/ Ilegal   Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:27 pm

Hi Rik

How i found out about that was , after the first MOT (1993) on my car with standard ( and crap illumination) US spec lights.They had to put tape in a certain place on the outer glass to avoid the dazzle or make them point to the left.
Mine are no longer sealed beams( this can be a pain with water ingress, even when silliconing them up) but the light pattern/beam with my Osram road legal slight blue H4 bulbs is so much better.
................Kev
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PostSubject: Re: Legal/ Ilegal   Thu Aug 19, 2010 5:52 pm

yer i have replaced my sealed beam light too. I got mine from Australia as they use the same pattern as us and they were cheaper.

But as far as i know you no longer have to have the flick to the left on imports but im not 100% sure on this. I am running Osram night breaker bulbs as it goes lol. ( 90% brighter ).

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PostSubject: Re: Legal/ Ilegal   Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:34 pm

MOT wise pattern must be kicked up to the left or flat like the zenons have, but that is on dip beam headlamps only.

spot/driving lamps are optional and most have them lighting only on main beam.
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