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Re: I invite EVERYONE to witness...

on Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:56 pm
rattyzx6r wrote:Who died and made you god brenon and made you the parts police...

The COMMUNITY is the "parts police" and they have issued a warrant AGAINST you and your representative company. Wink
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Re: I invite EVERYONE to witness...

on Sat Oct 16, 2010 11:02 pm
well i cant seem to cancel my membership on the foundation board so youll have to ban me lol.

I find it ludicrous that altering a part is wrong when it is quite normal in the business of fiberglass laminating but i suppose certain people make up their own rules no matter what the laws state. haha.

If the COMMUNITY is the police and im wrong then so be it. But i did what i was asked to do and now feel its time to see if i have the uk behind me or not.

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Re: I invite EVERYONE to witness...

on Sat Oct 16, 2010 11:26 pm
KIRAD wrote:
Secondly................. I do not see where as a fiberglass fabricator you have to sculpt/carve from foam etc. Im a fully qualified glasser/body paint specialist and do not always do so. It is within normal realms of the business to take a poorly made part and use it as a base to rework it into your own part. This i have done but always on a part that is so poorly made that none of the original remains and most of my sculpting is done with filler ( bondo ).

Evolution :A process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form

Using an existing product as a base is common practice in far higher businesses than the "Knight Rider world" otherwise every new product would be revolutionary and whilst that would be nice its not reality.
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Re: I invite EVERYONE to witness...

on Sun Oct 17, 2010 1:44 am
I didn't watch Xfactor tonight, I watched Sponge Bob and icarly.

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Re: I invite EVERYONE to witness...

on Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:59 am
Few things here...

As a person who does not deal directly with replicas but rather people as a whole - I simply have to point out in this matter that it really doesn't matter who makes what or sells what - collectively whether vendors wish to admit it or not, you're all stealing from Michael Scheffe's original ideas and making a profit from it.

It doesn't matter if you carved a bumper yourself, referenced screenshots, cast parts from universal molds, or whatever - you're trying to emulate, improve on, evolve, or otherwise replicate another person's creative vision.

This is not an insult, this is a documented fact - IF you claim what you make is "original" - considering that all vendors have no doubt referenced Michael's work (either directly or on screen), you have ALL been guilty of "recasting" off someone else.

With that being said replicas are a necessity to keeping the spirit of Knight Rider alive. They grace our driveways, charity events, entertain, inspire, and so on. I think it's petty and self defeating to argue who made what or designed what when the bottom line is without vendors selling what they feel is their best interpretation of Scheffe's work - there would be no more Knight Rider replicas at all. No vendor owns the rights to produce Knight Rider parts exclusively, period.

This isn't about necessity or pride - it's about ego and greed. If you're good at something, take pride in your work and leave other people alone. So maybe it's not as accurate as yours or up to your "personal" expectations, what right do you have to tell someone else how to do their job according to your standards?

Unless someone is stealing your patented work and selling it illegally, it's not your business.

I think this hobby should be about helping people not discouraging them or trying to run them out of business. Competition is only healthy if it promotes growth - short of someone who is blatantly stealing someone's money and not delivering a product - you are destroying a fan's ability to create replicas with options outside of your own. You can't monopolize the hobby and that's what so many vendors believe they can do. In attempting to do so they only create more needless negativity that can be avoided by minding your own business and focusing on running your own business.

If you're a good producer, if people love your work, and if people continue to buy your work - focus on meeting their demand for it. Who cares if they buy from someone else unless you think they are making something better than you are and posing a threat - in which case instead of trying to cover up your own weaknesses by trying to critique and discredit others, improve your own work and show through artistic mastery and not ego or insecurity driven rants why people should buy from you and not your competition.

This is why the "replica wars" will never end - because people can't set aside their egos and do things for a purpose greater than themselves, their pride, or their wallets.

I have and continue to live by example both as a man of my word and as a book/poster/t-shirt vendor. I answer customer inquiries, ship on time, and produce the best quality products I can manage, even if I have to lose profit in the process.

This is drama, plain and simple. Build a bridge and get the hell over it.

Rik is an outstanding family man who goes out of his way to help out others. Neither his name nor his company should be dragged through the mud because some guy believes he or his staff has to walk in his shoes.

As for The Knight Foundation being a "COMMUNITY" with a right to condemn anyone as a "bad or distrusted vendor" - that opinion is limited only to their disfunctional "community" which is quite frankly a tiny blip on the entire Knight Rider fandom's radar as a whole.

The Knight Foundation has no power or authority outside of their own forum domain. Here on KRUK we respect Rik, his staff, his company, and everything he does for the hobby in the uk.

Replicas normally are not my business but defending the names of good people involved with them is.

Quality is in the eye of the beholder and a replica/collectible part of any sort is only as valuable as someone is willing to pay for it.

Let the clients make their own choices.

=VK=

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Re: I invite EVERYONE to witness...

on Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:34 am
Well put VK!
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Re: I invite EVERYONE to witness...

on Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:31 am
ivirscar wrote:
KIRAD wrote:
And if you want to go and post all about what has been said then go ahead as i have copies of the emails and know exactly what has been said. Im NOT worried as i know its all hogwash and have tons and tons of photos of me making all my parts. If i am slandered as a recaster without definative proof i can assure you the s@@t will hit the fan and you can take that to the bank...
Rik

Since I just "re-read" this post and you mention pics, a few pics of your construction of the Season 1-2 nose would be interesting... Especially with the fact that they so much resemble Joao's. Cool

I (we) would like to see some photos that document foam/mold creation "carving" similar to that of Billy Gunter and those of Bo McDonald - BOTH of whom documented their TRUE CREATIONS. BOTH of which took MORE THAN A YEAR!! I've been waiting on a REAL season 2 dash for the better part of 2 YEARS!! It is still in it's REAL creation stages! You seem to pop off parts like they are already designed!! Oh... Or are they? Not to mention you are the SECOND TOP POSTER on this forum! Shocked

Go ahead - the floor is YOUR'S

Brenon


Hi Brenon,
As im 15 years old, I seem to be thinking that all of this petty argument is worse than an arguement at my school. Look Brenon how old are you, around your 40's am i right?, Don't you think that it is about time you grew up. For the parts stop it, We helped you recommending you, And this is the thanks we get. From past times and other hobbies people say the Horse realm is bad, But im starting to think this is 10-times worse. This is ment to be a community where people help diffrent people, all i see is people argueing over the most smallest of thing's. I just think everything should stop.
Thanks
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Re: I invite EVERYONE to witness...

on Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:32 pm
Victor Kros wrote: you're all stealing from Michael Scheffe's original ideas and making a profit from it.

Amen to that!
Everyone is guilty as each other be you making it from foam or whatever, because simply put without the idea of the car you wouldn't have anything to work off.

Be it the fibreglass or the electronics, you had to have something to work off to be able to make them, so collectively the above statement applies to all vendors of knight rider parts.

All this b***ing about you made this part and I made this part and your part looks like my part so your stealing it and blah blah blah, its an old broken record that comes out every time a new vendor comes into play.
Which is exactly why the vendors barely work together with each other because there at each others throats for taking away business or some other reasons, If Mike was to come on the boards and read this he would be sorely disappointed that people are not working together helping each other for his ideas because he really enjoys the idea that his work has been an inspiration to us all, you don't see him bitching that you have all recasted his original ideas, he gives thanks for new representations of his work.

Start getting along folks or all of your business's are going to suffer.

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Re: I invite EVERYONE to witness...

on Sun Oct 17, 2010 1:20 pm
:quote: Victor Kros wrote:
you're all stealing from Michael Scheffe's original ideas and making a profit from it. :/quote:

This is the truest statement ever made and one i have made myself several times over my past 14 years in the hobby.

Why must people always bitch about others work?

There is no difference from Rik re-working a badly made nose to make it better and more screen accurate than there is from Brenon re-working Jupiters electronics and making them better and closer to the original.

Joao's nose is widely regarded as one of the most accurate therefore of course any other "accurate" nose will resemble his? Its a natural fact?

To think, this whole argument started off because someone was selling a countdown on e-bay? Who cares who made it. If papa smurf had made it you'd still take a look and decide if YOU liked it and then buy it if it suited your personal taste?

Please people, for the love of god, and this hobby, stop arguing over parts. No one benefits.

Brenon - You sell electronics and people buy from you (like i did) because of the quality of your parts, not where your inspiration to build them came from.

Rik - You sell Fiberglass parts and people buy from you because of the quality of your parts, not where your inspiration to build them came from.

People should only be mentioned on the Forums where there is a problem with the actual part or delivery to Warn people not to buy from them. Ie: "sent money but no part received" or "part doesnt fit" etc.

At the minute, you BOTH hold excellent reputations for the parts you create so please lets not damage that over a petty discussion that started off with someone elses countdown.

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Re: I invite EVERYONE to witness...

on Sun Oct 17, 2010 1:46 pm
Amen to that 1 and as i said it was very silly of me to act that i did not make the countdown. leason learned lol Very Happy very silly as im very proud of what ive made and plan to make a lot more things.
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Re: I invite EVERYONE to witness...

on Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:20 pm
Not worth my time reading really, it was a bit like hearing a great thoaty exhaust note on the horrizon, hoping it's a Ferrari or summin, only to see a bright pink fiesta, with a snow plow of a front bumper fitted too it driving towards you.

But i totally agree with VK, EVERY replica and every part is a COPY!!! Of what Mike Scheffe created, regardless of who made it, and how.

And I agree with Peter, no hobby needs things like this what so-ever.
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Re: I invite EVERYONE to witness...

on Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:53 pm
You know what... The HELL WITH IT!

3 years ago I get railroaded for "copying other's work" - Jacob Wyatt gets banned for "copying other's work" and the list can go on forever... Now it seems that it's OK to "copy other's work"? Why is this? Because folks are tired of stepping up and speaking their mind? Yeah - I'm GOOD at that. Cool I'll speak what's on my mind and NOT be "scared" to do so. A couple of you KNOW this from our recent meet in Atlanta. I spoke my mind on several instances and I stood in "silence" to await responses - and got a few "quiet" one's...

So... If you kiss enough ass at major car shows - it's PROVEN that you can get away with just about anything you desire. INCLUDING copying Joao's Season 1/2 nose and using the excuse that it's "a poorly made part"... Evil or Very Mad

EVERYONE can jump on the bandwagon now and start popping off parts - me, I've got some plans in the near future that just may upset some of these new "fly-by-nites" Razz

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Re: I invite EVERYONE to witness...

on Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:04 pm
I have a passions nose from my car, it looks nothing like one of Riks noses.............. even if he has used one for a starting point, result is completely different.
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Re: I invite EVERYONE to witness...

on Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:46 pm
EVERYONE is a copier at the end of the day, that's what Replica means Smile

You are all making profit from a Universal Studios concept contracted by Michael Scheffe.

Are universal chasing you for ripping them off though?

I think its about time this thread was put to rest, there is no real point to it we dont need to be or make enemies, the hobby is about fun not getting your pitchforks out and becoming recast hunters and pointing fingers whenever new parts arise, perhaps universal should be contacted so the hobby can be really thrown out there to the wolves and everyone's livings get taken away and we no longer have vendors or new replicas, what a fun world that would be Smile

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Re: I invite EVERYONE to witness...

on Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:49 pm
I got banned from the Foundation for being a recaster of Rob's nose.....hmmm

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I recently made one from Ken's too

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Hey, I'm still banned from there/tried to make peace.... I wonder now.... Everything you guys are saying, I've said x10...... My pieces look different to alot of noses out there. I can still tell it's mine. Wasted almost 2 years of the hobby on noses, got banned for one, spoke my mind until banned, had an OK behind closed doors/have e-mails to prove that, and still got banned. What gives? I mean , darn, all this is ok now, but back then, Billy was going to mold my nose, make a copy, start selling them, and wham!..... I'm banned , Billy's brought back to the Foundation....What gives? I love the hobby, or I'd definately be gone..... that's for sure.... Back then, there were ALOT of people against me for it.... Does it still bother me? NOPE.. Ken's coming out with my last one and so .....uh, the first one was just a warm up.... See you guys.....

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Re: I invite EVERYONE to witness...

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Re: I invite EVERYONE to witness...

on Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:17 pm
OMG I find this so funny . I am not on the forum for 2 weeks come back to this.
I dont give a rats what goes on on the Foundation I left that forum because of the cr4p going on and the bitching and back stabbing.
And never getting parts I paid for .

I read some of the post over there and the people saying the countdowns are cr4p it wasn't ness to slag off the count downs .
If you dont like them dont buy them,
If you think their cheap thats your opinion no need to make it public.

This forum is the best around we dont have the bitching and back stabbing that they have over the pond.

Kirad * Rik* is highly value over here I have seen his work first hand at the knightcon its gr8 work .
, Rik puts ALLOT of time and effort into his work, without him we would be without a very good friend and Vendor.
Lets keep this site clean lets not drag it down to the other ones level guys and gals.Marina and the Mods keeps this 99% friendly lets keep it this way .

Micheal Sheffe came to the Knightcon and saw Riks parts he was happy with the construction etc and the fact Rik and others are using his ideas if he hasnt a problem why drag this on and on.

If people want to buy the countdowns let them, its a free world you can buy / bid on what ever floats your boat , some people dont have the conatcts when they first start so look to ebay tio buy more well know vendors are more expensive so this budget might suit somepeople who dont have the finances to buy more acurate or don't want to . Good luck to them selling these like zapper sells parts , as long as they havent " stolen" them or using someones actuall pictures or parts and calling them their own , like we have seen in the past good luck to them. I have brought many parts from the USA ( vendors ) many of which I have lobbed and re sold One of which is my dash and I have brought a Riks dash which I saw at Knightcon and its awsome .............

So lets end this squabbling and as they say when you are a child if you havent got anything nice to say dont say anything.
I think this should be locked now as I think everyone has made theri opinions clear..................


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Re: I invite EVERYONE to witness...

on Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:24 pm
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Nice one lol!
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Re: I invite EVERYONE to witness...

on Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:26 pm
my name is Markus, I is from Munich, I has Knightpassions the nose and I
wishes you to all it that, which they, near to look, see which simulare
with one another in the appearance to think you guys, look see here at the knight passions nose, he mad it from paper and over 1 and half year to make it look right ok, less than 1 months I think to make from his and know it not right! bad! [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Do you think it is o.k to sell this as your own front end?
I think this is bad thing!

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Re: I invite EVERYONE to witness...

on Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:29 pm
Thank you for that example Markus. Cool

It can CLEARLY be seen now...


btw... What was changed?? Looks like a DIRECT SPLASH to me! Evil or Very Mad


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For the record... Here are the ORIGINAL images for comparison -

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Re: I invite EVERYONE to witness...

on Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:00 pm
Kitt wrote:EVERYONE is a copier at the end of the day, that's what Replica means Smile

You are all making profit from a Universal Studios concept contracted by Michael Scheffe.

Are universal chasing you for ripping them off though?

I think its about time this thread was put to rest, there is no real point to it we dont need to be or make enemies, the hobby is about fun not getting your pitchforks out and becoming recast hunters and pointing fingers whenever new parts arise, perhaps universal should be contacted so the hobby can be really thrown out there to the wolves and everyone's livings get taken away and we no longer have vendors or new replicas, what a fun world that would be Smile

Stu


Thats what im saying also Stu, and Mike aint chasing anyone either!!!!!!! More to the point id go as far to say he is PROUD!!!!!! people are willing to make replica's and or the parts for them PERIOD!!!! Now this will be my last responce to this thread cos it is immature now, tit for tat, rumours, assumptions, maybe even hidden agenda's, but i am now to be honest past giving a shit, oh and to quote a certain car, this thread is also "none productive".
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Re: I invite EVERYONE to witness...

on Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:08 pm
Rumors - assumptions? WTF?? It's RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES!

I'll let the real hobbiests make their own judgement based on hard work, sweat and the amount of time taken to really create one of these parts the right way - Joao has CLEARLY been RIPPED OFF of his hard work put into creating this part for who?? The HOBBYISTS! If "kirad" wanted to do the right thing - he would have approached Joao and inquired on making replicas of his work. I KNOW this is the original work of Universal and all involved in creating the show in 1982 but that shouldn't be an "excuse" to start popping off parts and selling and then making yourself look good by attending "big car show events" and sugaring up... That is PRECISELY what has happened here, POINT BLANK.
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Re: I invite EVERYONE to witness...

on Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:10 pm
Ok so i said i wasnt going to post anymore on this subject.

BUT if its so plain to see why are you all blind to one simple fact.

Joao has his whole peak better than mine. If you actually bother to look you will see that i havent bought my peak down nowhere near to the angle his is at. INFACT it looks like mine is too high and his is RIGHT. MINE may well look like a passions nose but it isnt. The lines are harder and crisper on his peak, his nose is also a good inch to an inch and a half longer than mine in its outreach.

For god sake................. WE are all trying to replicate KITTS nose so of course there is going to be noses that look the same as others.

I just wanted to make my kitt have the right look.

Thats it finished.

You can all take it however you like..... Im done.

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Re: I invite EVERYONE to witness...

on Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:46 pm
O.K KIRAD you are saying you have mad the front end from nothing yes? like Passion did

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Re: I invite EVERYONE to witness...

on Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:52 pm
Nope,

I carved up a season 4 nose and back peddled it.

This has been explained to Joao himself.

For the last time.......................................... IM done with this mud slinging end of.
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